#LikeAMother: Why it’s so much easier to make money in NYC with my BFF Betsy Smith

Growing up in Sycamore, Ill. (pop. 10,000), I dreamed of moving to New York City to be fabulous: To have a fabulous career, attend fabulous events, hang out with fabulous people.

My dreams came true, for the most part. Including the people part: I spend much of my free time with Betsy Smith, my friend from Sycamore, Ill. (pop. 10,000).

You've met Betsy in previous episodes. She's married to Kris, a podcast maven with whom she co-hosts the epic Croncast show and who produced this very show. Betsy is also principal of social media marketing agency AllinSmith, and mom to two awesome kids, whom my kids adore. In fact, this weekend my children are staying at the Smiths so I can spend time with my European lover who is flying in for the weekend.

In other words, Betsy and I are all up in each other's business, and business is what she and I like to talk about most. Business and money. And how those things differer in Sycamore compared with New York, and why we used to not make money and now we do, and how we can make much more. Also: relationships, as we were both raised by single moms.

Have a listen, laugh your ass off, thank me later.



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About Emma Johnson

Emma Johnson is a veteran money journalist, noted blogger, bestselling author and an host of the award-winning podcast, Like a Mother with Emma Johnson. A former Associated Press Financial Wire reporter and MSN Money columnist, Emma has written for the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Glamour, Oprah.com, U.S. News, Parenting, USA Today and others. Her #1 bestseller, The Kickass Single Mom (Penguin), was named to the New York Post's ‘Must Read” list.Emma regularly comments on issues of modern families, gender equality, divorce, sex and motherhood for outlets like CNN, Headline News, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Fox & Friends, CNBC, NPR, TIME, MONEY, O, The Oprah Magazine and The Doctors. She was named Parents magazine’s “Best of the Web,” “Top 15 Personal Finance Podcasts” by U.S. News, and a “Most Eligible New Yorker” by New York Observer.A popular speaker, Emma presented at the United Nations Summit for Gender Equality. Read more about Emma here.


  1. Paige on December 14, 2015 at 4:04 pm

    I was raised in rural Montana where no one talks about their money. Period. Wealth is speculated by who owns what land. The speculated millionaire rancher down the road may or may not have a newer truck than a guy who works for the telephone company but the guy working for the telephone company could have bought land on the river ‘back in the day’ for next to nothing and is quietly sitting on a fortune. I remember my aunt telling me “money is like sex: those who have it don’t talk about it”. I think that mindset is part of small-town survival. People in small communities tend to be a little uncomfortable when someone rises above the rest.

    • Emma on December 16, 2015 at 11:03 am

      Really interesting perspective — wealth is relative, of course, and no longer marked by social signifiers — like a new truck or big diamond ring, both of which may be financed, for example.

  2. Margot on April 24, 2016 at 11:51 am

    I love listening to Betsy on your show… Please make this a joint venture or kick her ass and tell her to come back with Kris!!! I miss her!!!

  3. cancan on April 24, 2016 at 2:14 pm

    This is the best.

    • Emma Johnson on April 24, 2016 at 2:15 pm

      I think she should be on 1x+ per month, don’t you think??

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